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			<title>Black Poetry : SODUM AND GOMORRAH #2</title>
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			<description>SODUM AND GOMORRAH #2 
 
Drama so oh glory this story is mandatory I must tell it swift  
my duty is to thrill America and fulfill the character and upliftk 
the biblical words with lyrical verbs now yall heard it’s a gift 
Beauty would be good to look at but with shook stats 
Like SODUM and...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>SODUM AND GOMORRAH #2<br />
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Drama so oh glory this story is mandatory I must tell it swift <br />
my duty is to thrill America and fulfill the character and upliftk<br />
the biblical words with lyrical verbs now yall heard it’s a gift<br />
Beauty would be good to look at but with shook stats<br />
Like SODUM and GOMORAH sight of evil took that<br />
This static is whack like a dramatic play act it’s phat with<br />
Couldn’t be brothers in Christ also three other low cites<br />
With no committees toward doing good no good just pities<br />
Having to fail split them they lay in the VALE of SIDDEM<br />
And the evil sailed wit em located on the  inland sea did swim<br />
Into their lives a misled spree near the dead sea in this vicinity<br />
All five cities were enemy of the mighty King of ELAM their identity<br />
Were flat like platforms and like rats swarm in filth the king<br />
Wanted to defeat the lame and the streets name after them as they cling<br />
To evil as feeble scrubs doing illegal drugs the king had lost in battles <br />
To them before and paid tributes to his conquers for many years rattled<br />
By this the people of ELAM didn’t have their freedom began to rebel<br />
Couldn’t excel conditions didn’t promote success just hope at best fell<br />
Short of their goal all sorts of trouble unfolded so thing with king is to<br />
Battle SODUM AND GOMORAH again this time to win mighty few<br />
Went to war on a hot route to crunch and deliver a knockout punch and they did<br />
They deated their skils and the folks of SODUM AND GOMORAH skid<br />
And retreated to the hills ELAM invaded their homes and paraded their zones<br />
The folks of SODUM and GOMORRAH had grown soft no longer strong<br />
Their homes lost to the unknown enemy they no longer roamed the vicinity<br />
It was a cry of grace as ELAM troops occupy the place began a new identity<br />
ELAM was wise and took the enemy by surprised it was like a trinity<br />
They were slaughtered and ordered to obey the King of ELAM <br />
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(BEST START THE DRAFT AGAIN THIS COULD HAPPEN TO US)</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Black People : Hey Fambly Let's Do This]]></title>
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			<description>I was looking for an African American Website Awards where I could submit the sites I have created.  Unfortunately nothing showed up in Google. 
 
Now I am the kind of person that if what I am looking for does not exist I create it myself.   
 
What I am proposing is the Destee Black Website Award....</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was looking for an African American Website Awards where I could submit the sites I have created.  Unfortunately nothing showed up in Google.<br />
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Now I am the kind of person that if what I am looking for does not exist I create it myself.  <br />
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What I am proposing is the Destee Black Website Award.  If you are interested let's start a committee to determine what our criteria for judging websites will be and what the award will consist of.<br />
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Perception is reality.  If we perceive that what we do is not as prestigious as what Whites do then that will be our reality.    The Destee Award will be as prestigious as the effort and integrity we put into it.<br />
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If interested drop me a pm and we will get started.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Black People : "Day Of Black Consciousness"]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[*The Day of Black Consciousness ("Dia da Consciência Negra" in Portuguese)* is celebrated annually on November 20 in Brazil as a day on which to reflect upon the injustices of slavery and to celebrate the contributions to society and to the nation by Brazilian citizens of African descent. *The day...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><div align="center"><i><b><font size="4">The Day of Black Consciousness (&quot;Dia da Consciência Negra&quot; in Portuguese)</font></b></i> is celebrated annually on November 20 in Brazil as a day on which to reflect upon the injustices of slavery and to celebrate the contributions to society and to the nation by Brazilian citizens of African descent. <b>The day is marked on the anniversary of the death of Zumbi dos Palmares (1655-1695), the last of the leaders of the Quilombo dos Palmares.</b> Quilombos (or &#8220;Mocambos&#8221; [literally, &#8220;Huts&#8221;]) were villages formed by runaway slaves in Brazil during the Portuguese colonial period.<br />
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				<i><b>U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE</b></i><br />
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Brazilian Black Consciousness Day<br />
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Office of the Spokesman<br />
Washington, DC<br />
November 18, 2009<br />
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The United States Government and the American people congratulate the people of Brazil as they recognize Black Consciousness Day, also known as Zumbi dos Palmares Day, on November 20. The life of Quilombo leader Zumbi and his unrelenting struggle against slavery stands as an enduring symbol of freedom and justice.<br />
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Today, both Brazil and the United States recognize the important contributions of Afro-descendants in our societies and the imperative of combating discrimination, which has negatively impacted both of our countries. Just last month, our governments, in partnership with civil society and our private sectors, met for the third time in Salvador da Bahia under the historic U.S. &#8211; Brazil Joint Action Plan to Eliminate Racial and Ethnic Discrimination and Promote Equality. Together we are celebrating the diversity of our heritage and developing and sharing best practices to ensure equal opportunity for Afro-descendants and indeed all citizens of our nations.<br />
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On this significant day, we congratulate the people of Brazil and look forward to a long and fruitful partnership as, together, we provide leadership and examples of democracy, diversity, and social justice to our Hemisphere and to the world.<br />
<a href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2009/nov/132057.htm" target="_blank">http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2009/nov/132057.htm</a>
			
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			<title>Black People : UCLA high tuitions, the future nationaly? support BLACK COLLEGES</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:26:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[There is no more important issue in regards to Black nationalism , then the insuring of a prosperous future for our children. 
Will the cuts going on in services and the hiking of tuitions in Cali schools, be the norm in the nation?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UU6MKuWSE&feature=player_embedded...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>There is no more important issue in regards to Black nationalism , then the insuring of a prosperous future for our children.<br />
Will the cuts going on in services and the hiking of tuitions in Cali schools, be the norm in the nation?<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UU6MKuWSE&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UU6...layer_embedded</a><br />
<font color="Blue"><font size="4">And if we as a people invest strongly and firmly enough into Black Universities so that they can afford to educate all of our youth,<br />
why worry about this ish</font></font><br />
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We realy have the solution in our hands, but do we have the will, and if not what will strengthen it, so that we do?</div>

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			<title>Black People : NWO Global government, just a silly conspiracy theory???</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:10:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Another Extremist Conspiracy Theory? The Elite’s Own Statements 
 
Posted By admin On November 20, 2009 @ 9:43 am In Featured Stories | 16 Comments 
 
Jurriaan Maessen 
Infowars 
November 20, 20p09 
 
Who’s the extremist? The Malthusian calling for world government to scale down human population or...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Another Extremist Conspiracy Theory? The Elite’s Own Statements<br />
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Posted By admin On November 20, 2009 @ 9:43 am In Featured Stories | 16 Comments<br />
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Jurriaan Maessen<br />
Infowars<br />
November 20, 20p09<br />
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Who’s the extremist? The Malthusian calling for world government to scale down human population or the one reporting on it?<br />
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  <br />
 Extremist: Jacques Delors, former president of the European Commission. <br />
  <br />
While the Anti-Defamation League is busying itself with smearing truth tellers, the globalists meanwhile openly call for global governance and population reduction. Oh yes, the issues we cover here are quite extreme. If that makes those reporting on them extremist conspiracy theorists intent on blowing up a federal buildings- well, let’s round up all those who investigate anything, drive them into camps and warm up the oven. After all, they might be domestic terrorists.<br />
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Take for example a publication issued by the EU-chapter of the Club of Rome titled ‘The Crisis, Global Governance and the Road to Copenhagen’ (click to find out whether this issue is a conspiracy theory or no). In this recent newsletter put out under auspices of His Royal Highness Prince Philip of Belgium (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), the statement reads:<br />
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“We should not let any longer “laissez-faire” economic philosophy spill over and contain ambitious global policies. The survival of a great part of mankind is at stake. Do we need to wait for the date when the maximum number of human that the planet can bear will be reached?”<br />
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I know, it’s extremist beyond measure to report on this statement, but we just can’t help ourselves. I could of course pretend I didn’t actually read the statement in this pamphlet, saying that:<br />
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“The recent events should generate the required lucidity to undertake for the 30 years to come a collective and reasonable management and allocation of natural resources. (…). They should lead to the mutualisation of the planet resources with sound global governance; (…). Otherwise there is a significant risk that humanity will fulfil Malthus’ theories, where “natural” adjustment (in form of famine, disease, epidemic, natural catastrophes, war…) would put back the world population in line with the available resources.”<br />
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Before I could avert my eyes, I also had a glimpse of the following statement:<br />
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A d v e r t i s e m e n t<br />
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“Many measures leading to solutions of these problems are known and the Club of Rome has long been advocating for many of them: geo-engineering, zero waste &amp; zero carbon policies, energy taxes, de-growth of consumption in many areas…”<br />
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I’m not sure continuing to quote the Club of Rome constitutes a dangerous and extremist conspiracy theory, but hey, there it is anyway.<br />
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In their witch-hunt for extremisms, why doesn’t the ADL visit the White House, the UN, the Counsel on Foreign relations and the annual Bilderberg conferences while they’re at it. Enough extremism there to keep you busy till rapture.<br />
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Please pay a visit also to professor Saul Mendlovitz, Co-Director of World Order Models Project (WOMP) and ask him if the scribe got it right when he recorded him saying in his acceptance speech at the award ceremony of the 1990 UNESCO ‘Prize for Peace Education’ (page 36):<br />
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“It is my personal belief (not shared by all members of WOMP) that there is an overwhelming surge in the direction of global polity and that a world state is emerging. Indeed, some of the policy élite are beginning to discuss a single world central bank and a single currency.”<br />
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Another one who can be reasonably suspected as being extremist, is former president of the European Commission Jacques Delors who on September 7, 1992, gave a speech to the Royal Institute of International Affairs titled ‘The European Community and the New World Order’ in which he speaks of “world government”, “transferring sovereignty” and a “worldwide single market”.<br />
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“I would add”, stated Delors, “and I will not go into detail- that economic integration, unless it is backed by a strong political will, will not in itself produce stronger international institutions or help create world government.”<br />
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full article;<br />
<a href="http://www.infowars.com/another-extremist-conspiracy-theory-the-elites-own-statements/print/" target="_blank">http://www.infowars.com/another-extr...tements/print/</a></div>

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			<title>Black People : copyright free version of ENDGAME</title>
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			<title>Black Poetry : Opening Thoughts</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hey!....i ain post in a few days so im back with a piece....well part of a piece...this verse is part of a piece that will be for a series....the title explains the subject matter...enjoy 
 
 
The purity of my soul vanquished need some chicken soup for it  
Unknowing are you for u wasn't there for...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hey!....i ain post in a few days so im back with a piece....well part of a piece...this verse is part of a piece that will be for a series....the title explains the subject matter...enjoy<br />
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The purity of my soul vanquished need some chicken soup for it <br />
Unknowing are you for u wasn't there for it <br />
Glass 1/2 full when i came in emptied out only a few days later <br />
Savages Lurking starving for scraps <br />
My mom was the victim of one the attacks <br />
Sad thing is they ain't get ish back <br />
The jungle fights in royal rumbles on Pay-per-view <br />
But nobody looks at the previews <br />
Except you and ya friends so you can pick clips for blooper shows <br />
And To have more bashful material for ya radio show <br />
And yet u wonder why we never escape the projects <br />
I'm the part of a whole now how are you helping now <br />
When the pieces already lost and can't be recovered <br />
Father already missing n now i've lost my mother <br />
No outlets for im too young to know of any <br />
So my mentals are being feed through broken lines which have no knowledge of worldly scriptures <br />
Taking pages from Satan i'm maturating on death <br />
At the time he let me play the advocate untill i was exposed to karama <br />
See Saw Cycle for years let to breakdowns <br />
Which resulted in no revelations it was only truth that i realized <br />
That you are the guilty culprit of the destruction of my existence <br />
And the lives of Many Others but u play the angel <br />
in the fable you have written to the mainstream <br />
All the while my people scream in Agnoy <br />
At the hell you have created but because of ur image <br />
your found not guilty of the crime that results from ya gimmicks <br />
I have nothing to more to say</div>

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			<title>Black People : I brought you in....I will take you out</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:43:42 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Would this be too extreme though? 
 
Detroit area father executes son after teen confesses sex abuse of child 
By The Associated Press 
November 19, 2009, 7:27AM 
Jamar Pinkney.jpgPolice say Jamar Pinkney Sr. shot his son as naked boy knelt pleading for his life. (AP) 
 
HIGHLAND PARK, Mich. -- A...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Would this be too extreme though?<br />
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Detroit area father executes son after teen confesses sex abuse of child<br />
By The Associated Press<br />
November 19, 2009, 7:27AM<br />
Jamar Pinkney.jpgPolice say Jamar Pinkney Sr. shot his son as naked boy knelt pleading for his life. (AP)<br />
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HIGHLAND PARK, Mich. -- A 37-year-old father irate over hearing his 15-year-old son had sexual contact with a 3-year-old girl made the teen strip at gunpoint, marched him to a vacant lot and shot him to death despite pleas from the boy and his mother, a relative said.<br />
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Michigan authorities filed a first-degree murder charge Wednesday against Jamar Pinkney Sr. in the shooting death Monday of Jamar Pinkney Jr. in the Detroit enclave of Highland Park.<br />
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Defense attorney Corbett O'Meara said prosecutors should consider evidence of the father's state of mind over the sex abuse report.<br />
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&quot;If something were to happen that would cause a reasonable person to lose control of himself, that is something the prosecution would have to take into account,&quot; O'Meara said outside Highland Park District Court.<br />
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Tensions were high in the courtroom Wednesday as the handcuffed suspect was led into the room for the arraignment, which lasted less than a minute.<br />
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&quot;No, No, No,&quot; one female relative cried before a police officer escorted her out.<br />
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Judge Brigette Officer entered a not guilty plea for Pinkney, who's also charged with assault, and ordered him jailed without bond until a preliminary examination Dec. 1.<br />
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&quot;This is something that's hard to deal with for all the parties concerned, including the police,&quot; police Chief Ted Caldwell said afterward. &quot;Highland Park is a small city. These are people who have been members of the community for years.&quot;<br />
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Caldwell said the sexual misconduct allegation that led to the confrontation wasn't part of the police investigation.<br />
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The shooting happened Monday night in a vacant lot in the once-prosperous city of 16,000.Visitors built an impromptu memorial at the shooting site. Two votive candles sat amid 10 stuffed animals, including two white teddy bears with red hearts embroidered with, &quot;I love you.&quot;<br />
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The boy's mother, Lazette Cherry, told the Detroit Free Press that her son told her he had improper sexual contact with the girl.<br />
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&quot;I called and told his father. This isn't something you sweep under the rug,&quot; she said.<br />
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Cherry said the elder Pinkney arrived at the home with a gun, ordered his son to strip and marched him outside despite her protests.<br />
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&quot;He got on his knees and begged, 'No, Daddy, No,' and he pulled the trigger,&quot; Cherry said.<br />
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Cherry did not immediately respond to a message Wednesday from The Associated Press seeking comment.</div>

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			<title>Black People : After bailing out banks, Geithner is asked, Where are the Jobs?????</title>
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			<description>Geithner Savaged On Unemployment During Fiery Capitol Hill Hearing 
 
Posted By admin On November 19, 2009 @ 6:28 pm In Featured Stories | 232 Comments 
 
Paul Joseph Watson 
Prison Planet.com 
Thursday, November 19, 2009 
 
 
Congressman Michael Burgess scalded Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Geithner Savaged On Unemployment During Fiery Capitol Hill Hearing<br />
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Posted By admin On November 19, 2009 @ 6:28 pm In Featured Stories | 232 Comments<br />
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Paul Joseph Watson<br />
Prison Planet.com<br />
Thursday, November 19, 2009<br />
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<br />
Congressman Michael Burgess scalded Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner during a fiery hearing on Capitol Hill this morning, telling the former New York Fed chief that he should never have been hired and demanding that the TARP program come to an abrupt end, shortly after GOP Rep. Kevin Brady had called on Geithner to resign.<br />
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“The public has lost all confidence in your ability to do the job,” Brady told Geithner during a heated Joint Economic Committee meeting, adding that he had failed to oversee an economic recovery before asking Geithner, “Will you step down from your post?”<br />
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Geithner responded by claiming that confidence in the economy was substantially stronger than before Obama took office, to which Brady responded, “Tell all of that to the millions of American who no longer have jobs because of your decisions,” adding, “At some point you have to take some responsibility for your decisions.”<br />
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“This is your budget! This is your bailout”, shouted Brady.<br />
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Obama pledged to create 3.5 million new jobs by 2010, however, with unemployment running at 10.2 per cent, and with 3.5 million jobs lost, the Obama jobs deficit stands at over 7 million.<br />
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Shortly after the fracas, Rep. Michael Burgess confronted Geithner on how TARP funds were used to bail out banks in Europe while the American people suffered with spiraling mortgage defaults and unemployment.<br />
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A d v e r t i s e m e n t<br />
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“We’ve got the TARP, it’s supposed to expire, why won’t we let it die a natural death rather than letting it painfully linger?” asked Burgess, to which Geithner responded, “We are working to put TARP out of its misery,” contradicting reports of a “second stimulus” being planned for early 2010.<br />
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Geithner’s claim that he was working aggressively to terminate TARP programs was met with Burgess’ response, “Well it looks like money is going out with little or no oversight,” which Geithner denied, despite the fact that Fed chairman Ben Bernanke admitted earlier this year that he didn’t know which foreign banks had received over half a trillion dollars in credit swaps when pressed by Congressman Alan Grayson, who this week introduced an amendment with Ron Paul to secure more oversight on money leaving the U.S. earmarked for foreign banks.<br />
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Burgess stressed that small businesses were frightened of adding jobs because they were worried about the potential costs of health care, regulation and the impact of the cap and trade program, stating, “We don’t need another stimulus, we need to provide some tax relief and then get the heck out of the way and the American economy will recover as it has always done.”<br />
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Referring to Brady’s comments, Burgess commented, “I don’t think that you should be fired, I thought you should never have been hired.”<br />
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“I’ll tell you, my constituents, they’re not just anxious, they are mad, they are fighting mad about what is happening in the economy, they’re fighting mad about what is happening in the stimulus,” concluded Burgess.<br />
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Watch the videos below.<br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2i7cxUEOXc&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2i7c...layer_embedded</a><br />
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			<title>Black People : Why the Fear of White Folks?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:08:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>If any one has ever attended a Sunday afternoon  service with the Nation of Islam, in the past 30 years, one will note that White people are never mentioned. 
  These wise rothers are too busy dealing with inspiring the Black community to be self sufficient from them to be caught up in such a...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>If any one has ever attended a Sunday afternoon  service with the Nation of Islam, in the past 30 years, one will note that White people are never mentioned.<br />
  These wise rothers are too busy dealing with inspiring the Black community to be self sufficient from them to be caught up in such a endless chatter.<br />
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If any one is familiar with the lectures of noted Black Nationalists and Pan Africanists,<br />
they have no mention of white folks in their lectures because they also are too busy discussing how we as a people can be economicaly, politicaly, and regarding food clothing and shelter to be self sufficient from them.<br />
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With all the discussion here about white folks where is the equal discussion regading self sufficiency and realy being free of them?</div>

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			<title>Black People : Was John Muhammad the Alabama Sniper?</title>
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			<description>When examining the details of the Alabama shooting some of which in this article http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20091105/NEWS/911059974/1016/NEWS?Title%3DD-C-snipers-first-two-victims-were-at-ABC-store-in-Montgomery we must ask was he the sniper in the Alabama murder.</description>
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			<title>Black People : The Decline of the Moors in Spain</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[great lecture on the Moors in Spain.  Dr. Piemienta is a cool brother as well.  He came to speak in one of my classes as an undergrad.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to catch him that day, but I emailed him later on and he always responded back with excellent information.....there are 7 parts all...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>great lecture on the Moors in Spain.  Dr. Piemienta is a cool brother as well.  He came to speak in one of my classes as an undergrad.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to catch him that day, but I emailed him later on and he always responded back with excellent information.....there are 7 parts all together<br />
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			<title>Black People : Ogun</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[*OGUN (Ogu, Ogoun and Ogum)* 
 
Oriki 
 
Ogun awo, Olumaki, alase ajuba 
Ogun ni jo ti ma lana lati ode 
Ogun oni're onile kangun-dangun ode Orun, egbe lehin 
Pa san bo pon ao lana to 
Imo kimo 'bora, egbe lehin a nle a benge logbe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><b>OGUN (Ogu, Ogoun and Ogum)</b><br />
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Oriki<br />
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Ogun awo, Olumaki, alase ajuba<br />
Ogun ni jo ti ma lana lati ode<br />
Ogun oni're onile kangun-dangun ode Orun, egbe lehin<br />
Pa san bo pon ao lana to<br />
Imo kimo 'bora, egbe lehin a nle a benge logbe<br />
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Ogun, chief of strength, owner of power, I salute you<br />
Ogun dances outside to the open road<br />
Ogun, owner of good fortune, owner of many houses in the realm of the ancestors, help those who journey<br />
Remove the obstructions from our path<br />
Wisdom of the warrior spirit, guide us on our spiritual journey with strength<br />
ase<br />
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<b>Homage to Ogun, the bleeding of the flesh wound<br />
Homage to Otarigidi, Ogun's Godmother<br />
Homage to Omobowu and Ewiri-Maje, Ogun's wives</b><br />
ase<br />
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OGUN is primal energy. The word Ogun, with the appropriate tonal changes, can be translated to mean war, inheritance, medicine and perspiration. Ogun is that force of nature that keeps matter in motion. Once god gives a being life, it is Ogun who sustains that organism. Ogun is the sustainment of life. Without Ogun, the universe, as we know it, would not exist. He controls one quarter of the universe and although he cannot exist of himself, he is so important in the scheme of things, that all of the ORISHA are dependent on him for their existence. Ogun is one of the oldest of Orisa in the Yoruba pantheon. Ogun's symbol is the knife. It is because of this that a major contradiction arises. Ogun eats first, because the knife is the first thing to taste blood in any sacrifice. It is said that ESU/LEGBA must eat first, and in ritual feasts and bloodless offerings, he is presented his food first. However, in blood offerings it is Ogun, the only one allowed to take a life, who eats first, and it is because of him that the other Orisa can be fed blood. Although Ogun lives in iron, and one of his symbols is iron, his essence, energy, existed long before iron was created.<br />
Ogun is the father of metamorphosis, because with his great strength and with the aid of intense heat, he transforms carbon into diamonds, sandstone into marbles, and marble into gneiss. The cauldron is symbolic of a womb, a mine, the primordial abyss, and the tools which kept inside it are used by Ogun to fashion or shape whatever potential riches are inside.<br />
Ogun is the God of War, Energy and Metal. Ogun keeps matter in motion. Ogun is the sustainer of life. Ogun lives in the knife, and with it, clears a path for man. Ogun is the force within your computer.  Ogun is technology. Ogun is the force of gravity, the force of attraction. Ogun represents the tools that shape man, bringing  out a person's potential, enhancing one's life. Ogun controls life and death.  Ogun is our heart beat and the final contraction during birth.  Ogun is auto accidents and gun wounds. Ogun is the warrior, hunter and farmer. Ogun is the God of loyalty and life-long friendships. Ogun is the master of secrets, skills, crafts, professions and creations. In Cuba he is Saint Peter. In Brazil he is Saint George. Ogun clears obstacles that get in the way of spiritual growth.<br />
The main tools of Ogun are the anvil, which signifies the earth's ability to transform man. the shovel, which is used fir digging into one's potential;the machete, which is used to clear path's and to protect; The rake, which is used to gather and smooth rough area's of the self; the hoe, which is used to cultivate one's potential; The hammer, which is used to bend or shape one's faculties; and the pick, which is used to pierce or penetrate the hardened areas of the self. the implements are gifts of Ogun which he uses to help a person through life. Ogun's favorite animal is the dog. Ogun likes all dogs but his favorite is the black dog. He favors it because of its faithful and devoted, because of the way it hunts. The dog is known as man's best friend. Ogun represents all occupations in which cutting instruments are used. Ogun is called upon to remove the obstacles in our path. Ogun helped the divinities to survive in their initial settlement on earth and to effect harmony among themselves as they struggled with new and unforeseen circumstances. Ogun is the Orisa of barbers, doctors, butchers, etc., any occupation that uses knives or blades, or iron tools.<br />
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OGUN Oni' re ni je aj'a,<br />
OGUN ikola a je `gbin,<br />
OGUN gbena-gbena`oje igi ni i je!<br />
pa si'le ps s'oko.<br />
Laka aiye OGUN ko laso,<br />
moriwo l'aso OGUN.<br />
Ire kii se ile OGUN,<br />
emu lo ya mu ni'be.<br />
<br />
OGUN, the owner of Ire, eats dog,<br />
OGUN of circumcision, eats snail,<br />
OGUN of carvers, saps the juice of trees!<br />
He kills in the house and kills on the farm.<br />
He who covers the world, OGUN had no cloth,<br />
Palm frond is the cloth of OGUN.<br />
Ire is not the home of OGUN,<br />
he just stopped there to drink palm wine. <br />
ase<br />
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Ogun has character, personality and status. He is not afraid to be himself. Like iron, he is rigid, self assured, and unyielding. Because he is untiring, deliberate and focused, he accomplishes all that he sets out to do. He is strength, but used creatively. Ogun is very creative. Children of Ogun, when trying to figure out how to accomplish something will always think of the physical first. They like to use their hands and their strength. Others marvel at the untiring energy of his children. Ogun sees and makes his own way. He is economy in action; no wasted motion, catch only what you are going to eat. Ogun is the champion of laborers everywhere, the first union boss. <br />
As the &quot;owner of all iron,&quot; Ogun provides the tools which are essential to creating civilization. Ogun is evolutionary energy. He is technology. Like all the Orisa, Ogun has two opposing attributes which seem in conflict, but are actually two sides of the same coin (create and destroy). <br />
In another post, I told the story of Ogun killing an entire village, and his subsequent move to the bush. This story speaks to his capacity for destruction and unrestrained bloodlust. There is another itan that tells of how at the beginning of creation the Orisa came upon impenetrable brush. Ogun cut a path through the bush. This story speaks to Ogun as the mover of things, evolution, progress. We pray to Ogun to remove obstacles from our paths, both spiritual and material. It also speaks to his life as an outcast.<br />
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Ojo Ogun<br />
Si lo, si lo, silo ni ma se aye<br />
Dugbe dugbe a gba ode oorun keke<br />
Ipe npe ju a si  kun fe je<br />
Paranganda ni da fomo odo<br />
Abiri, abihun a simu Orisa<br />
Mo ri faaji re<br />
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On the days when Ogun is angered<br />
There is always disaster in the world<br />
The world is full of dead people going to heaven<br />
The eyelashes are full of water<br />
Tears stream down the face<br />
A bludgeoning by Ogun causes a man’s downfall<br />
I see and hear, I fear and respect my Orisa<br />
I have seen your bloody merriment<br />
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Ogun is stickler for justice. Children of Ogun feel the need for justice, and find it very difficult to ignore injustice. He is truth. In Yorubaland, Ogun’s symbol, iron, is used voluntarily in courts of law for the taking of oaths by witnesses to affirm that the truth will be told (like we do with the bible). No one who believes in Orisa, would dare lie after swearing to tell the truth on Ogun. When Ifa speaks of truth, it does not mean some idealistic vision of the way things should be. Ogun searches for the truth about the way things really exist in the world.<br />
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Ogun nurtures and protects the oppressed. Ogun is an outcast and protects society’s outcasts. He makes sure that wealth is shared. He is looked to as a protector who will promptly respond to the appeals of the oppressed in there encounter with an unjust fate. He is looked to for protection within society, from injustice and without from outside enemies. However, Ogun’s hot temper makes him a dreaded figure. While he protects the innocent, the poor, victims of military attack, he inflicts pain on others; the deceitful, the rich who don’t share, and one’s enemies in warfare.  Ogun is a solitary figure who lives alone in the forest. Ogun’s undergarments are red, signifying his furious nature, but on top of this he wears Mariwo, palm fronds. Palm fronds have supernatural connotations, and “soften” Ogun’s image. They symbolize cool, restrained behavior. <br />
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I pay homage to Ogun Lakaaye, a divinity worthy of worship<br />
Ogun, who had two very sharp cutlasses, sharp as fire<br />
He used one for clearing an area for making a farm in the forest<br />
The other he used to cut a path through the forest from one place to another<br />
The type of clothing that Ogun wore, <br />
On the day he made his descent from the hill to the plain,<br />
I know very well<br />
He wore a flame red coverlet over a blood red tunic<br />
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<b>Mariwo yeyeye Ogun aso; Alagba de o</b><br />
Swirling palm fronds are Ogun’s garment; The Honored One arrives<br />
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Ogun as the god of iron is most interestingly seen in the elaborate ritual attending the establishment of a smelter. The smelter constitutes a shrine to Ogun, and its flames are sacred. In the powder that ignites the furnace, the smelters mark the Odu that incarnates Ogun – Ogunda Irete. Ogun’s Odu talks of victory, and success in the face of danger, which speak to the occupation of a smelter who strives to be victorious in creating quality iron, while playing with fire. The smelter straddles the furnace and sacrifices a rooster while chanting invocations, pours the blood over the Odu that was marked in the powder while igniting the furnace and chanting all the secret names of fire. He then spits what he has been chewing; ataare pepper and kolanut on the fire as further chants are said. The chewing of ataare pepper and kolanut activate or fortify “ofo ase” the power of the word. In the saliva of the smelter is his essence, connecting his ase with the Orisa. Through the smelter ritual, humans shape, control and change raw power into socially useful power, reliving the triumph and tragedy of Ogun. <br />
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Iba Ogun, Oniporin Aye’<br />
Iba Ogun, Oniporin Orun<br />
Iba Agbaagba me ta iporin<br />
Igba iwa se<br />
Ogun da kete ni popo<br />
O rawo agada ibeje ibeje<br />
Ina giri giri ninu ada<br />
Oorun giri giri oke<br />
Ina sunsu ari je<br />
Oorun sunsu asun lolubo<br />
Ina giri giri inu ada<br />
Akuko rebe rebe Ogun fun o ree!<br />
Kirin o po!<br />
Kirin o jina<br />
Wonron, wonron, wonron!<br />
Ase<br />
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Homage to Ogun, the iron smelter of the world<br />
Homage to Ogun, the iron smelter of heaven<br />
Homage to the three patriarchs, iron smelters when existence began<br />
Ogun put on a big straw hat in an open place<br />
He spun the sword as a warning, as a warning!<br />
The blazing fire in the furnace<br />
The sun shining brightly above<br />
Fire cooks the yam so it is edible<br />
The sun cooks the yam so it wilts (rendering it inedible)<br />
Blazing fire in the furnace<br />
Here is the red-red rooster which Ogun presents to you!<br />
So let the iron be well-smelted<br />
Let the iron be well heated<br />
To ring well and long!<br />
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<b>Ogun’s sacred objects</b><br />
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Ogun pot (iron cauldron)<br />
With seven tools (mentioned earlier) <br />
And Ogun stone<br />
Ogun’s ileke (bead necklace). Ogun’s ileke is a good example of how ideas and objects crossed over the Atlantic and were in many cases altered and then find there way back to Afrika and alter the original source. Ogun;s beads were red in Yorubaland, but became black and green in the Diaspora. Now, if you get his beads in Afrika, they are black and green.<br />
Extra altar items as one chooses:<br />
Three railroad ties<br />
Iron cutlass<br />
Slag from a blacksmith’s shop<br />
Anvil<br />
Rifle<br />
Bomb casing<br />
Any iron artifacts<br />
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<b>Ogun’s foods</b><br />
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For offerings Ogun eats gin, rum, nuts, snail, cola nuts, orogbo, corn, roasted yam, and cooked beans with hot peppers. He loves palm oil and palm wine. <br />
Some of Ogun’s herbs ( used for cooling him down) are odundun and rinrin. In the Diaspora we also use purple basil, cana santa, pata de gallina, yerba de sangre, yerba mora, pegojo, hueso de gallo, adormidera, siempreviva, anamu, romerillo, amanza guapo, , palo manaju, ebano, quita maldicion, salvadera (you can translate to English using an online translator).</div>

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			<title>Black Poetry : Tell the Babies</title>
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			<description>*Tell the Babies 
 
Tell the babies that the blood that flows in their veins today 
built the Pyramids centuries ago. Tell the babies that the  
genes that make them who they are created writing and 
education when the rest of the world was bathed in ignorance. 
Tell them that the voices that...</description>
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Tell the babies that the blood that flows in their veins today<br />
built the Pyramids centuries ago. Tell the babies that the <br />
genes that make them who they are created writing and<br />
education when the rest of the world was bathed in ignorance.<br />
Tell them that the voices that whisper are the ancestors<br />
anchored within, echoing even as they sleep, to build the <br />
next great tomorrows like were built the last magnificent<br />
yesterdays. Tell them that they are required to Rule and <br />
before they can must first Rule themselves with knowledge<br />
that resists any attempts to dwarf their Humanity or make<br />
them tumble from pyramids to ghettos. Tell the babies that<br />
the ancestors left them a living legacy testifying that they<br />
were designed for accomplishment, engineered for success<br />
and somewhere in between was dropped a seed of greatness<br />
by the Almighty Architect himself to let them know that<br />
there is a hero within. And then, don’t forget to tell yourself !<br />
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			<title>Black Poetry : LABOR PAIN</title>
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			<description>*Work load on a daily base  
fill wit pain upon millions face 
penny pay on da end  
all endure set in a trend 
 
Doing something everyone can do 
nobody did it job never through 
hired help sadly crew  
issues abound da boss blew</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><b><i><div align="center"><font face="Arial Black"><font size="5">Work load on a daily base <br />
fill wit pain upon millions face<br />
penny pay on da end <br />
all endure set in a trend<br />
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Doing something everyone can do<br />
nobody did it job never through<br />
hired help sadly crew <br />
issues abound da boss blew <br />
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handz tired legs weak <br />
mind on a standstill eyez blink<br />
theirs no people treat <br />
only da habor of another days stink<br />
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Like a deck of cards odds all stacked <br />
morrow's future mentally lack <br />
da ova seers full of smack <br />
labor pain yes daily on attack<br />
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At the end i just tip my hat and scat :run:</font></font></div></i></b></div>

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