Law Forum : Ignorance of the Law Does Not Excuse

[Destee]

Peace and Blessings Family!

I've started a new forum ... The Black Law Forum! I'm really excited about this one! I think we can learn so much from each other, and put ourselves in a much more knowledgeable position!

Oh my gosh! This is great, isn't it!!!

I've had this on my mind a long time. The law is obviously a big part of many of our people's lives, as far too many are locked up in prison. I'm of the opinion, that many of our people get caught up, trapped, snared, by these laws, never really knowing in advance, the full consequence of their choices. Even for those that have an idea what their end will be, with our talking about it, sharing, etc., they may better prepare themselves for what's ahead.

You know what Family, we spend a lot of time interpreting words, their meanings, etc., and from what it looks like from where i'm standing, the law is a bunch of that very same thing?! Shoooot ... we should be great at this! ... Matter of fact, i've heard tell of "Jailhouse Lawyers," seen them on television, and they are allowed by the facilities to actually represent inmates. Seems like if they can do it there, we can do it here ... though ... we are all going in, knowing, aint none of us providing any real legal services. Who knows, with our learning this together, we may inspire gazillions of our young people, to master this occupation. There can be more of us on the side of interpreting the law, instead of having it interpreted upon us!

I want us to not be ignorant of the law. I want us to know the penalties we might face, if we do this, that, or the other. I want us to know what to do, if we or our loved ones are ever facing such a terrible place in life. Based on the numbers of our people locked up in prisons, it's a fate far too many of us may have to face one day, directly or indirectly.

So ... let's help each other avoid some of this, if we can!

Looking forward to the discussions held here!

Love You!



Destee

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

Peace and Blessings Family!

I've started a new forum ... The Black Law Forum! I'm really excited about this one! I think we can learn so much from each other, and put ourselves in a much more knowledgeable position!

Oh my gosh! This is great, isn't it!!!

I've had this on my mind a long time. The law is obviously a big part of many of our people's lives, as far too many are locked up in prison. I'm of the opinion, that many of our people get caught up, trapped, snared, by these laws, never really knowing in advance, the full consequence of their choices. Even for those that have an idea what their end will be, with our talking about it, sharing, etc., they may better prepare themselves for what's ahead.

You know what Family, we spend a lot of time interpreting words, their meanings, etc., and from what it looks like from where i'm standing, the law is a bunch of that very same thing?! Shoooot ... we should be great at this! ... Matter of fact, i've heard tell of "Jailhouse Lawyers," seen them on television, and they are allowed by the facilities to actually represent inmates. Seems like if they can do it there, we can do it here ... though ... we are all going in, knowing, aint none of us providing any real legal services. Who knows, with our learning this together, we may inspire gazillions of our young people, to master this occupation. There can be more of us on the side of interpreting the law, instead of having it interpreted upon us!

I want us to not be ignorant of the law. I want us to know the penalties we might face, if we do this, that, or the other. I want us to know what to do, if we or our loved ones are ever facing such a terrible place in life. Based on the numbers of our people locked up in prisons, it's a fate far too many of us may have to face one day, directly or indirectly.

So ... let's help each other avoid some of this, if we can!

Looking forward to the discussions held here!

Love You!



Destee

In the Spirit of Sankofa,


Sister Destee,

In conjunction with what I have highlighted in your above quote, here is a link to another Thread in this new Black Law Forum; "Would You Represent Yourself in Court," which contents correlate in my opinion:

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=588724&postcount=7


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[LindaChavis]

Excellent

I hope we use it

 

[chuck]

Anybody care to elaborate on the recent setback via the undermining of the Voting Rights Act by a bunch of backsiding U. S. Supreme Court Justices?

If so:

Thanks in advance!

FYI...

 

[HODEE]

VOTING RIGHTS... First we need to secure them first

Anybody care to elaborate on the recent setback via the undermining of the Voting Rights Act by a bunch of backsiding U. S. Supreme Court Justices?

If so:

Thanks in advance!

FYI...

http://www.naacp.org/about/leadership/executive/jealous/index.htm

Ben Jealous, President and CEO of the NAACP

In 1997, Jealous returned to Columbia University and completed his degree in political science. With the encouragement of mentors, he applied and was accepted to Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar where he earned a master's degree in comparative social research.
Jealous eventually went on to serve as Executive Director of the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA). While at the NNPA, he rebuilt its 90-year old national news service and launched a web-based initiative that more than doubled the number of black newspapers publishing online.

Most recently, Jealous was President of the Rosenberg Foundation, a private independent institution that funds civil and human rights advocacy to benefit California's working families.

Prior to that, he was Director of the U.S. Human Rights Program at Amnesty International. While there he led efforts to pass federal legislation against prison rape, rebuild public consensus against racial profiling in the wake of the September 2001 terrorist attacks, and expose the widespread sentencing of children to life without the possibility of parole.

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http://urbanmecca.net/news/?p=6843

Black Leader Criticizes Voting Rights Act Supreme Court Compromise
June 24, 2009

A failure by the U.S. Supreme Court to act decisively to fix an inherent problem within the Voting Rights Act is drawing the condemnation of the chairman of the Project 21 black leadership network.

“As with affirmative action, the Court recognizes the unconstitutionality at issue but refuses to go the distance to make things right,” said Project 21 Chairman Mychal Massie. “The only certainty of this ruling is that the problem will continue to fester. The question to be pondered now is how many aggrieved voting districts will knuckle under to overbearing and unnecessary federal standards because the justices chose to kick the can down the road rather than actually do something about the problem.”

In its ruling in the case of Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District Number One v. Holder, all of the justices agreed that the “preclearance” provisions of Section 5 the Voting Rights Act – which still requires nine states and many other counties and localities to clear all electoral changes with the U.S. Department of Justice – are outdated. The decision sends the case back to the district court with the instructions that representatives of this particular voting district can apply to seek relief.

The Supreme Court ruling said communities could "bail out" of the restrictions if they can show in federal court that their electoral procedures have not had the effect of discriminating against voters in the past 10 years

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The NAACP and the Lawyers, Black Lawyers all over the United States have created this quasi-law that composes the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

The NAACP has been a ( totally the problem ) problem after W.E.B. Dubois died. He helped found this organization.

http://www.who2.com/ask/webdubois.html

W. E. B. Du Bois Biography
Writer / Social Reformer
Name at birth: William Edward Burghardt DuBois

Scholar and political activist W.E.B. Du Bois helped found the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). DuBois attended Harvard University and in 1895 became the first African-American to receive a doctorate from the school. He became a university professor, a prolific writer and a pioneering social scientist on the topic of black culture. DuBois particularly disagreed with black leaders such as Booker T. Washington who urged integration into white society; Du Bois championed global African unity and (especially in later years) separatism. He distilled his views in his famous 1903 book The Souls of Black Folk.


The 1965 Voting Rights Act. This law is a Quasi Contract.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q083.htm

QUASI-CONTRACT - A term used in the civil law. A quasi-contract is the act of a person, permitted by law, by which he obligates himself towards another, or by which another binds himself to him, without any agreement between them.

All persons, even infants and persons destitute of reason, who are consequently incapable of consent may be obliged by the quasi-contract, which results from the act of another, and may also oblige others in their favor; for it is not consent which forms these obligations; they are contracted by the act of another, without any act on our part. The use of reason is indeed required in the person whose act forms the quasi-contract, but it is not re-quired in the person by whom or in whose favor the obligations which result from it are contracted. For instance, if a person undertakes the business of an infant or a lunatic; this is a quasi-contract, which obliges the infant or the lunatic to the person undertaking his affairs, for what he has beneficially expended, and reciprocally obliges the person to give an account of his administration or management.

Because it is not a solid law.

If it was not one in 1965. It was not one in 2006 when Bush and Congress did not have to vote and grant Section 5 another 25 years.

The White man will take thie right to vote away from Blacks again.
We had the right to vote in 1865

We had it taken again in the early part of the last century... early 1900's

We secured it in a quasi fashion again in 1965 and it will be taken again as soon as the baby bomers and civil rights generation dies off.


If it was a law then the Supreme Court would have had to recently vote on Section 5

This law is subject to and mimics a law.

Tell me this. An immigrant gains the right to vote. After taking a simple test.
There is no threat to them... ever loosing their right to vote. Are we citizens?

It's a Joke.. and we are fools to allow this. We are joking with our future if we continue to accept this ****e.

If this isn't apparent and we are all schooled on thousand year old history... religion, education and what was done to us our ancestors and all. Why haven't we been more upset and doing something about being played like this.

NAACP FIRST.. those sell out clowns need correcting. Try calling them to report discrimination. I tried years ago. They won't help.. they busy saving the jobs for vegetable pickers and making sure their right to vote is safe.